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Are Giants Super Bowl 43 Material?

We've all enjoyed the ride since the first second ticked off the clock in the first playoff game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2007.  With a lot of Giants fans skeptical and holding the breath, wishing Big Blue could pull of just one playoff victory under Head Coach Tom Coughlin, we had the honor of observing the best season in New York Giants history.  The plowing over of the Bucs, the "gift that keeps on giving" Cowboys game, the last game of Brett Favre's career and finally the Super Bowl itself...it was amazing, phenomenal, EPIC...but now it's over and it's time to move on.

The New York Giants have unfortunately lost a number of key players this off-season.  First and foremost, the Giants have lost the legendary, Michael Strahan.  On top of him, Big Blue will kickoff the 2008 season without Reggie Torbor, Kawika Mitchell and Gibril Wilson.  While all four players will be missed, some personnel losses will have a greater impact than others.

Are the Giants capable of having a year that will rival their success in 2007?

Early reports are mixed.  While it's too early to even make legitimate predictions about Punters and Gunners, many NYC beat reporters have noted that the Giants seem to be gelling early in the off-season.  Perhaps the most comforting and reassuring report is that of Eli Manning's progress.  Manning has always been labeled a hard-worker and dedicated QB, but his spot-on passing, especially with veteran Amanin Toomer, is cause for cautious optimism...at least on the offensive side of the ball.

Additionally, as I noted in my offensive breakdown a couple weeks ago, the Giants offense hosts substantial depth at the Running Back position...possibly the best place to have quality backups.  Offensive Coordinator Kevin Gilbride should be having a field day planning next season with four highly capable RBs, a proven QB, a squadron of high-caliber WRs, two TEs that are cause enough for Linebackers to tremble and an OL that has had enough time together to play an entire game blindfolded.

Similarly, the defense is poised to have another terrific year as there are a number of young players desperately hoping to get a chance to prove themselves and enough veterans to keep the over-desperate youngins in line.  The DL, which also touts quality depth, remains a powerhouse despite the loss of Michael Strahan.  The defensive secondary has all the tools to be an even better unit than last year with new acquisitions and former Giants acting as a cohesive unit.  In fact, the only uncertain position defensively is the LB corps and with Pierce and Kiwanuka, it's safe to say that the team is in good hands.

However, there is drama.  Jeremy Shockey, despite his recent comments, has caused reason to question his loyalty and dedication.  Plaxico Burress, although "not worried" about his "situation," has drawn attention away from playing ball and only to himself.  The team lost a major emotional component in Michael Strahan.  And more than anything, the team must remain humble, yet confident.

My take on the situation is that this team can come out and play better than last year.  They have all the tools necessary to win 12+ games, improve their home-field play and make another solid run in the playoffs.  I'm not referring to the theory that "any given Sunday" any team has the tools to win.  This New York Giants team is talented, well-balanced age-wise and has the right coaching staff to take advantage of said talent.

Furthermore, the schedule (knock on wood) is not horrible.  The AFC North will be a challenge and, as always, the intra-division play will be competitive, but the Giants can handle their opponents.

You know what else?  The Giants, despite an incredible season in 2007 and despite all they have going for them, are still not being respected by the media.  NFL.com is already listing the top fantasy picks for 2008.  The Giants defense (as a unit) is listed as #6.  Not horrible, but better than say, the Steelers, if you ask me.  What about QB?  NFL.com has Manning listed as #12 under Marc Bulger and David Garrard.  Plaxico Burress is #11 overall.

These are not horrible grades, but certainly not those reflective of the reigning Super Bowl champions. 

If this team clicks as they did at the end of 2007, remains humble and keeps their eye on the prize, they are more than capable of making another run at the title.  If they get disgruntled early, stir up drama and play sloppy, they could begin to slip quickly...especially without Ole' Gaptooth back there keeping them unified and fired up.

However, as I said, I believe they will do some exciting things in 2008.  Just you wait. 

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JD_in_Dallas said:

With basketball over, Tiger out for the year, baseball (the Mets are KILLING me) not that fun to watch and not even any NFL Europe/Europa to watch, I might possibly lose my mind over the next 72 days!

I am truly excited that we have all the players/staff in place to make a serious run again, but of course I am cautious in making any assumptions.  My hope is that we stay healthy all year, certain players get their heads out of their a$$es and the FO pays the right people the right money.  The emotional leaders will come from within, so that is actually one of the things I am NOT concerned about.  This can REALLY be the best time for Big Blue ever... IF we handle it they right way!!!

June 18, 2008 8:54 PM
 

scotthawaii said:

I believe this year's team will be better balanced than last year, mainly because the defense has had time to develop and get stronger. Strahan leaving stings, but doesn't kill the momentum. Pierce is the most likely to step up and assume the leadership mantle in 92's absence.

What really keeps things going is the smart drafting by the FO. You can see the hunger already in the latest batch to arrive. It may look a little rough at times this coming season as the young players continue to develop, but we've got a good age spread, good speed, solid talent at all positions - whereas a year ago we were questioning whether the secondary was even average.

I think we've got an excellent shot at another playoff spot and definitely will have the team to compete in the playoffs as long as the injury bug lays off us. I think we'll get through this Shockey disturbance eventually, the sooner the better. The Plax issue doesn't even really concern me, that'll work out I'm sure.

June 18, 2008 9:06 PM
 

jimDB said:

IT would be nice to compare the fantasy numbers with the Patriots after beating "The Greatest Show on Turf"? Somebody?

June 18, 2008 9:08 PM
 

Levito said:

Those rankings for the players is fine.  You don't have to have the number 1 ranked QB or WR or whatever to be a serious contender.  Those rankings are based on stats and they're pretty spot on as far as fantasy rankings are concerned, and beyond that, what good are rankings like that good for?

What does matter is that the team is firing on all cylinders.  That's why the team needs to settle Plax and Shockey down and just get back to business.

June 18, 2008 9:14 PM
 

fanfor55years said:

Good comments. I think the Giants are certainly "Super Bowl material".

I'm re-posting comments I made earlier this month about the defense. I had posted a few things about the offense as well, but what Sean and Scott say above pretty much cover it. The only thing I would add is that the Special Teams should be even stronger than the already strong ones of last season, and that I forgot to also note that Sammy Knight will be a significant positive who will help more than make up for Wilson's absence.

"Don't get me wrong. Strahan's loss is a real one, both on the field and in the locker room. But if you look at the Giants' defensive front there is Tuck (who everyone has to agree is a budding All-Pro who was actually the most dominant lineman on the team last season); an Alford who should be a much bigger contributor this season; Wynn, who is a pretty decent player and should be a factor since he will be better rested than most DEs because of a large Giants' rotation; Tollefson, who showed some flashes last season; Henderson, whom the FO and the coaches were very high on after rookie camp; Robbins and Cofield, who are vastly underrated because they don't play glamour positions; and, of course, Osi, who is already an established star. Add occasional situations where Kiwi lines up at DE on passing downs. This makes one of the top defensive lines in the NFL. Is it as good as with Strahan? No. Is it good enough? I think so. This will certainly NOT be a team weakness.

Now look at linebacker. They lose Mitchell, gain Clark, draft two very promising rookies who are both intelligent enough to pick up a defensive system quite quickly and are BOTH far more athletically blessed than Kawika Mitchell, and move Wilkinson (another superb athlete) in as the presumptive starter at WILL. This linebacking corps is definitely better athletically than what was around last season. And DeOssie has a year of experience under his belt so could be a significant contributor. Kiwi returns after missing much of the season. So I would say that the Giants are far better athletically at this position, and only lacking a little in experience and savvy. Give Wilkinson, DeOssie and those kids half a season and the LB corps should be significantly better than we saw last season.

That leaves the defensive backfield. Again, Wilson is a significant loss, but I'd trade him straight up any day for Phillips and Thomas. I think that Kenny Phillips has a chance to be as good as Wilson by the end of the season and goes into the season already as a superior coverage safety to anything we ever saw from Gibril. And Thomas is as close to NFL-ready as anyone in the draft. Pete Carroll had him play every kind of defense at USC against really tough opposition (including the guys he practiced against every day). Johnson should be much better with a year under his belt, and while we have no evidence of it yet, Spags claims that he expects big things from Butler and that he played through a bad hammy for much of last season. Madison starts off the season healthy and should benefit a lot from not having to defend #1 receivers. If nothing else, this defensive secondary is much deeper than what we had last season. Assuming Webster doesn't regress (and I see no reason why he should) the defensive backfield could actually be a strength by the end of the year rather than the weakness it looked like most of last season.

In short, while of course it's possible that the Giants get complacent, and suffer some injuries, I seriously doubt the first with the coaching they've got and the leaders among the players (Pierce, Madison, a number of O-linemen, Eli, Amani, Plax and Jacobs). An objective analysis of the defense is that Strahan is a BIG loss but the overall defense should be better than it was last season.

I won't go into the offense now, but clearly it should be better than it was last season. The special teams should be better because there's more young talent on the team.

All of the above does not sound like a prescription for a bad season. Call me Pollyannish, but I think barring injuries and a lot of bad luck this team should get deep into the playoffs once again."

June 10, 2008 1:55 PM

June 18, 2008 10:52 PM
 

fanfor55years said:

By the way, on offense the Giants should be much, much superior to last season.

Eli should be sharper. They have four excellent backs including a more experienced, and really explosive, Bradshaw.

Amani Toomer will be much better because almost everyone is in his second year after knee surgery. That first season usually makes a player look slow because his ligaments are still not completely healed.

Steve Smith will be working from much more experience and should be moving toward being a top receiver in this league. He has all the tools.

Assuming Shockey is here, they will have a devastating two-tight-end set. Boss has bulked up and should be VERY capable of causing chaos for every defense.

The O-line starts with a full season of working well together, and Diehl has now seen each of the speed rushers in the NFC East and should be better against them this time around. Whimper may be ready to step in as needed, which gives the team much more flexibility.

One among Moss, Hixon and Manningham should be able to make some contributions where they didn't last season.

All in all, the offense will definitely be better than it was last season.

The folks who are underestimating the Giants are making a serious mistake.

June 18, 2008 11:02 PM
 

hkiswani said:

ff55y -

That comment on the offense is 100% on point. I really expect the Giants passing game to make huge strides this eason.

Add to that the Giants three explosive backs in Bradshaw, Jacobs, and Ward - and you have a potentially elite offense.

June 18, 2008 11:19 PM
 

scotthawaii said:

ff55y - Plus throw in that Plax should be healed up and hopefully at 100%

June 18, 2008 11:28 PM
 

simon said:

Agreed ff55. I really think the passing game is going to benefit from the run game. I've said before I expect all three backs to get touches and total about 30 carries a game...and even touching 35-40 if the ground game is really humming. This plays right into what Gilbride likes to call and what Easy likes to do best...run the PA.

What do you guys think about Droughns vs Ware for the 4th running back?

The other thing that alot of people are forgetting about is that Boss is NOT the defacto #2. Darcy Johnson is a good pass catcher, and a solid blocker who is up to 270 these days, Thats yet another training camp competition to watch.

Does this mean the end of Michael Matthews? Practice squad eligibility?

June 18, 2008 11:33 PM
 

Remy said:

Michael Matthews would surely get picked up by another team if he was allocated to the practice squad.  The kid can block...  that much is evident, and he's only played a year - he can still get better.   The Giants are STACKED at the position no matter what happens with Shockey.    Early days yet though, there may be an injury or two so lets see...

June 18, 2008 11:45 PM
 

simon said:

Remy-- maybe he gets a roster spot to be a 4th tightend and backup for Hedgecock..especially considering Shockey's injury history. He was also a decent tackler on the kickoff team.

June 19, 2008 12:19 AM
 

Remy said:

He was used as a H back for a bit last year, initially before it became clear Hedgecock was the guy.  Now that we know Hedgecock is, and with the 3 (probably) guys in front of him on the depth chart, where does Matthews fit?  I really like him, and hope they can find a way to keep him on the roster.

That reminds me, I know Finn was on IR last year, was he released months ago and a non-factor?!  If so, has anyone picked him up - he was a class act

June 19, 2008 1:32 AM
 

Krow said:

Nope.  Too much internal dissention.  Last year was only possible due to a concentrated team effort.  That chemistry is gone thanks to retirement and the Miami morons.  Right now I'm thinking 9-7... miss the playoffs.  It was a great year, but it's over.

June 19, 2008 7:50 AM
 

GIANTT said:

ff55y - I think you hit it on the head- the offense looks to be much

more explosive and game controlling .I think last year there were

a few games which quite frankly could have gone either way and

came out as wins because of the strength (and luck ) of the defense . IF the offense can score more and take some of that pressure off the defense, especially in the NFC east , I am hoping for 10 or 11 wins as attainable.

Also I have to watch the SB again , because I went to see Tom

Petty tuesday evening - H e was Awesome and made me very nostalgic after the half time show , so maybe it was a good omen

Although I did feel old explaining who the opening act of

Steve Winwood was and then explain the groups he had been in

all to my 20 and 30 something kids who had never heard of him

but all in all a very good concert

June 19, 2008 10:20 AM
 

csherm91 said:

haha ok krow I can't wait til your proven wrong.  This team has all the right tools. These problems with shockey and plax will work themselves out and won't be a problem.

June 20, 2008 1:17 AM
 

bearcat said:

I'm schlepping back to this thread because I'm much more interested in it than in le 'affair Bradshaw and the Dixie Boy Judge.

I think this team certainly has the elements on both sides of the ball to hold on to the Lombardi Trophy.  Add to the talent that;s been posited earlier on this thread the best Giants special teams in memory, a budding genius of a defensive coordinator, who can rival Belichick's accomplishment, and it's all there.

But here in my opinion are the things that can go wrong.

1. Major injury to Eli

2. Inability of our OC to make use of the talent we have on offense.

3. Regression in the progress of the secondary.

4. Weakness in stopping the run on the left side of the line.

I think a regression of the secondary is less likely, but you can't count it out.  I have confidence that Spags can shore up problems in either the secondary or the run defense if they occur.

I'm not wanting to seem ominous, but I am not entirely as confident in the OC.  

The Eli element is of course utterly unpredictable.  But I'll say this, I don't think he has to perform at the highest level for this team to go far.  An above-average year should do it, given the compensatory strengths this team has on defense, special teams, running, and short-yardage passing playmakers.  A really good or great year from Eli will be pure gravey.

We are also helped a little bit by the fact that our schedule isn't as onerous as a SB team might expect.  It's relatively easier at the beginning of the year, which should give time to iron out any kinks that do emerge before heading into the heart of the schedule.

June 20, 2008 1:57 PM
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