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Are the Giants Hung Over?

First off...it appears talk really IS cheap! 

The Giants are holding six OTA sessions this year.  Since the NFL only requires the teams to open the sessions to one third of the sessions, reporters will only be able to see two of them.  From what I understand, today will be the first time that the sessions will be open to the press so hopefully we'll get an idea of what's been going on by later today.  There is absolutely no news to report at this time regarding OTA's.  

Considering the lack of information coming out of OTA's, maybe it's a good time to discuss something that's plagued the Giants after both their previous Super Bowl victories and even following their Super Bowl loss in 2000:  The Dreaded and Oft Times Feared Super Bowl Hangover.  

Following the 1986 season, the Giants stumbled out of the gate at 0-2 before replacement players took over for three games during the players strike.  The "Giants" lost all of them, dooming any chance of defending their championship as they ended the year at 6-9.

After the 1990 season, both Head Coach Bill Parcells and Boy Wonder Defensive Coordinator Bill Belichick left the world champion Giants, leaving them in the hands of Ray Handley.  Although the Giants defeated the San Francisco 49ers on opening night (in a rematch of the classic NFC Championship that ended the three-peat bid of the 49ers), they finished at  8-8 and out of the playoffs again.

Continuing this disturbing trend, the Giants once again could not build on a successful 2000 season that saw them in the Super Bowl against the Baltimore Ravens.  Although many people still view that season as an improbable run that petered out at the end, the pieces were certainly there to be a better team that they became in 2001.  A 7-9 final record once again left the Giants out of the playoffs after a Super Bowl appearance.

Will 2008 be any different than 1987, 1991, or 2001?  Once again the Giants are getting little respect from the national media with regards to early rankings.  That's okay, most didn't have the Giants in the playoffs last season and certainly very few had them winning one playoff game, let alone the Super Bowl.  It could be said that the pundits are taking the safe route this year regarding their ranking seeing as only the New England Patriots and Denver Broncos have repeated as champs since 1995.

This morning on Sirius NFL Radio's "The Opening Drive", Bob Papa along with Randy Cross and Peter King (of Sports Illustrated and other outlets) were discussing this very issue.  Papa recounted a story where he was master of ceremonies at a charity event in New York City last night, and the only celebrity in the crowd was Giants GM Jerry Reese.  Reese was sitting with friends, proudly wearing his Super Bowl ring, which is now one week old.  Attendees of the even were getting their pictures taken with the ring, and with Jerry, and Papa described Reese as glowing, and obviously basking in the glory of what his team has accomplished and rightfully so. 

The discussion turned to wondering when you put this accomplishment away and, in earnest, start focusing completely on the next season.  Cross, a Super Bowl champion three times over, said that the toughest thing to do is forget and move on.  The accomplishment is so great and so rewarding and when you combine that with all the entrapments of fame that accompany it, it's difficult to find your bearings and remember you're starting over at 0-0.  

So what do the Giants have in their corner this time that they didn't have the last three times they made it to the Super Bowl?  Well for one, they have Tom Coughlin.  Tom's ego is such that he won't let this go to his or the teams' head.  Coughlin is well known for his motivational tee shirts and slogans ("Talk is Cheap, Play the Game") and already this season has placed shirts in the players' lockers saying "It's a Whole New Season".  

They also have a number of players who didn't exactly ‘prove' themselves last year the way they'd hoped.  Eli Manning did not exactly statistically light up the league during the regular season and needs to prove he's really the guy we saw over the last five games.  Brandon Jacobs missed more than 25% of the season due to injury.  Plaxico Burress, who had an amazing first 6 games, wants to be known as a Pro Bowl receiver and was well on his way last year before injury hampered his production.  Ahmad Bradshaw, who I believe will push for the starting job by mid season, wants to prove every team in the league that they were wrong at least six times each last year.  Mathias Kiwanuka, Jeremy Shockey, Michael Jennings, and Derrick Ward also missed extended time, including the playoff run, and have to be using that as motivation to get back to the playoffs. 

Finally, we're not hearing a lot of "me, me, me" talk from these Champion Giants.  The only ‘controversy' has been the will he or won't he discussion concerning Michael Strahan's retirement.  The only book coming out from a player is from Plaxico Burress, and it's not a ‘tell all', or ‘dirty secrets' book.  It's meant to be a motivational book.  It's a book about how the Giants came together as a team.

It will be interesting to see if they can maintain a solid focus through the upcoming training camp, which will undoubtedly be a circus atmosphere.  Albany is expecting up to 250,000 extra visitors to camp this season, basing their predictions on past Super Bowl appearances.  Seeing as this was one of those extremely rare and profoundly special seasons, culminating in the defeat of the invincible Patriots, it's going to be a show at camp, that's for sure!

So where does this leave us with our question?  Do we have probable cause to believe that the Giants can win in 2008, in spite of their success in 2007?   Time will tell, but it appears that the Giants have the coaches, the players, the front office, and the attitude to finally break the post Super Bowl blues that have plagued them in the past and get into the playoffs in 2008 with a chance to defend their title.

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jimDB said:

To the naysayers, NYers say for getta boutit! Most on this site didn't expect to see 2007/08 performance until sometime in 2010. The Giants are way ahead of the curve.

Think about a confident Eli, healthy Plax, Backfield 100%, improvements to the secondary, and TC/staff coaching style. The only glaring weakness may be special teams? JR,s recruiting plan of mixing the young, talented rookies with a few key leading veterans on both sides of the ball is the new secret to success.

I'd love to see a rematch of SB XLII next year; Maybe the Gmen will bring a pacifier to go with that rattle they gave to Brady.

June 3, 2008 11:36 AM
 

fanfor55years said:

Rob, excellent first contribution, and welcome.

I think you're right, but even more important, the difference between this Super Bowl winner and the the previous Giants teams that won the Trophy, is that this one is a still-young team with a lot of players who have not yet reached their prime and should simply be better football players in 2008 (and thereafter) than they were in 2007. That's why this team has the chance to be very, very, special. A letdown? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it for all the reasons you cite. But position-for-position, this roster is simply better than the one they had last year. The 2008 Giants should be a better team than the 2007 team.

June 3, 2008 11:41 AM
 

fanfor55years said:

jimDB, in fact most on this site didn't expect to see the 2007-2008 performance EVER, let alone by 2010. It's good to know that the surliness has turned to at least guarded optimism. Makes for a much better frame-of-mind. Most long-time Giant fans are "tuned" to low expectations in a never-ending quest to avoid disappointment. I think that's what prevented most from seeing before last season that this was a different kind of team, one very much on the way up to elite status in the NFL. Now the task will be to stay there, catch a few breaks, and hoist a few more trophies. It should be an interesting ride.

June 3, 2008 11:48 AM
 

jimDB said:

ff55, you are right with the "EVER" comment; I always had guarded optimism for Manning when the majority were "surly".

Seeing Eli beat the Gators, twice,down here in Florida created that optimism.

Got to agree, many of our the Giants  players have not peaked professionally, it will be interesting how it plays out.

June 3, 2008 12:13 PM
 

gmen--er said:

good article Rob...you are quickly becoming one of my favorite writers on this site.

but whats up with the font?

June 3, 2008 12:21 PM
 

gianthinker said:

I see a Giants/Cowboys second round rematch this season.  I wont go any further than that.  

I've always felt Super Bowl claims were foolish because as we saw last season anything can happen in the playoffs.  I will admit I broke that rule by calling the Pats to the SB last year before the season started.  And that was only because I thought they bought a title when they got Moss the same off-season as Wes Welker, Kelley Washington, Adalius Thomas, Donte' Stallworth, Sammy Morris and Kyle Brady.  I'm glad the Giants put a stop-order on the SB purchase but you have to admit thats a monster off-season.  They signed Washington (UFA Bengals; $22M/5 yrs, $300,000 SB) to start but because they got Moss he only saw the field on ST.  He did a good job on ST too.  

Therefor, I don't call SB anymore but again I do see a Giants/Cowboys second round rematch this season.

June 3, 2008 12:49 PM
 

gianthinker said:

WRITERS

When I use my bookmark for this site the site comes up with a blank page.  I can only get to story's from the list on the left.  Is my bookmark the old link or something?  Whats the updated URL?

June 3, 2008 12:52 PM
 

Dan Benton said:

www.giants101.com

or

www.screamingsports.com/.../default.aspx

Good article, Rob.  Nice to have you on board.

June 3, 2008 12:58 PM
 

Rob Nargi said:

Thanks to everyone who's commented.  It's good to be on board.  Maybe this weekend when things are slooooooooow I'll post a little about me and my background.

I'm not sure what I did to the font,  I'm picking up the nuances of the site as I go.  Please bear with me, and if there is anything I can do to help make things easier for  you, the reader, let me know.

Rob

June 3, 2008 1:20 PM
 

Ron Burgundy said:

Excellent writeup, very easy to read.

Nice to see somebody willing to show up and write some articles in the offseason.  Yeah, that's right, i'm calling the rest of you gentlemen out.  (Except for Dan, because he has a legit reason)

June 3, 2008 1:39 PM
 

Dan Benton said:

Ron - We're gonna get things cracking here again shortly.  Sorry for the breaks in coverage.

June 3, 2008 2:05 PM
 

simon said:

Reading up on some of the early OTA reports one thing stood out to me.

Starting Linebackers-- Wilkinson, Blackburne (A.P. on vacation), and Kiwi.

Kiwi def not working at DE. And it's Wilkinson's job to lose to Clarke...

June 3, 2008 2:20 PM
 

gman2485 said:

as far as the LB go i believe that Wilkenson will start and so will M.K and Blackburn may lose his job.

thier will be alot of good talent leaving the giants locker room in the next few weeks and Blackburn and J.Loranza are 2 guys who come to mind.

June 3, 2008 2:49 PM
 

jcrown92 said:

I think Kiwi, Pierce, and Wikinson should be the starters at LB. Clark is nothing but role player and has no potential to be a standout LB. Clark is a good depth player, but I would rather see Wilkinson start because of his potential to be a great LB in this defense with his speed and cover skills. If Wilkinson struggles, I would rather see DeOssie, Kehl, or Goff emerge as the starter rather than a old vet like Clark just because he has no potential to be great. You never know with a young player until you give them a try. Clark is just a good player to have to fill in if injuries happen and to fill in on special teams in my opinion.

June 3, 2008 3:24 PM
 

simon said:

There is no way Blackburne goes anywhere. He is an excellent special teams player. He has spent like a couple years studying to backup A.P. and to think that will be handed off to DeOssie or Goff at their neophyte stages of development is ridiculous. Remember, when A.P. has missed time Blackburne has played admirably.

June 3, 2008 3:44 PM
 

simon said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants carry 7 or even possibly 8 linebackers this year. A.P., Kiwi, Wilkinson, Clarke, Blackburne, Deossie, Kehl and Goff.  Of course Goff or Kehl could hit the practice squad.

The roster spot might come from CB spot...IF...McQuarters gets cut they might only carry Ross, Webster, Madison, Thomas and Dockery since they will most certainly carry the four safeties. Johnson, for one is a pretty solid coverage guy if it got to that point.

June 3, 2008 4:27 PM
 

bearcat said:

Nice article, Rob.  I agree that this year's Giants will break out of the SB hangover rut, for the reasons you say, and because as ff55 has pointed out there's lots and lots of youth on this team still determined to prove something.   In addition to that, I'd point out that the talent and competition at linebacker, the talent and competition in the defensive backfield, and the talent and competition at wide receiver will be three other wellsprings of motivation.   Like you, I see motivation from so many points on the compass with this team.  Add to the mix a quality and (now, finally) respected coaching staff, and I think all the elements are there for some mighty good G-men football for several years out.

June 3, 2008 4:28 PM
 

KD said:

Hey New Guy, Rule #1 is that you are never to mention the name Ray Handley...Never, Ever, under any circumstances.

June 3, 2008 4:44 PM
 

KD said:

AND I may be wrong, PLEASE correct me if I am, but the Giants lost that opener to the 49ers...It was a Monday Night game that ended with Simms and Lott jawing face to face. Not 100% positive, but I am pretty sure we lost that game.

June 3, 2008 4:49 PM
 

fanfor55years said:

bearcat, good comment, especially about the coaching staff being settled and confident of support...that's a big plus for this team.

I have what I think is an excellent idea for a posting by the writers. Why don't you guys think about how other teams will try to play the Giants. How will they probe for weaknesses? Who will they go after?

Leaving out the inevitable injuries, at the start of the season I would think that the one thing opponents will have to focus on is that the Giants may (and I emphasize "may") have a slight weakness that can be exploited to both succeed in the run game and also slow down the pass rush. With Mitchell gone and Pierce not one of the better middle linebackers at the point of attack (and with Gibril on the wrong coast) the Giants may be a little vulnerable to the run to the left of center, especially outside the guard. Will Wilkinson be as able to help Pierce on that side as was Mitchell? Will Osi avoid overrunning plays and allowing himself to be trap-blocked? I don't THINK this will prove a big weakness, but the only way any team is going to be able to protect their quarterback against the Giants is to run successfully, early and often. I don't think they'll succeed much to the right side with Kiwi at SAM and either Strahan or Tuck at left defensive end. If the offenses don't succeed at running left and slowing the pass rush it's going to be awfully hard to beat the Giants' defense.

June 3, 2008 4:50 PM
 

bearcat said:

FF 55  I think the solution for plugging the left side of the D line is cheating little Freddie Robbins over the outside of the guard and rotating Wynn for Osi.  Maybe move the best tackling CB to the left side.

But I also think opposing OC's will test Kiwi on drag patterns and short stuff out of the backfield.

June 3, 2008 5:41 PM
 

montreal giants said:

KD,

OK, I'll correct you.  The Giants did win the 1991 opener against the 'niners, 16-14.  Now, you *may* be remembering the regular season MNF loss to the 'niners in 1990 (SF 7 NYG 3), which ended (as I recall) with Simms and Lott jawing.

June 3, 2008 5:49 PM
 

Rob Nargi said:

I used to live by the rule that Ray Handley was "He Who Shall Not Be Named", but after this season I've decided to move on and acknowledge him.  Afterall, we blame Handley for a situation that Parcells and Little Bill actually left us in.  Handley was somewhat reluctant at succeeding Parcells.  Time to let it go, guys.

And I try to double check my facts as often as possible, but naturally I will make a mistake here and there...but this time, I'm absolutely positive the Giants defeated the 49ers in the first game of 1991.

June 3, 2008 6:05 PM
 

Fitz said:

I was wondering if anybody got the new DVD the Giants Road the the Superbowl that gives the full games of week 17 thru the SB win..Im gunna pick it up friday hopeing that BestBuy has it...I was a little dissaponted to see that its not On Blu-Ray which is a big mistake,But my PS3 seems to make regular DVD's look pretty damn good.

It is Obvious that it is a must have for all Giant fans,and I was so happy to here about the Full Games bc My damn TIVO deleted the SB in HD..

June 3, 2008 6:57 PM
 

Rob Nargi said:

I did indeed get my DVD today.  I watched the Super Bowl already with the Michael Strahan commentary turned on.  It is truly awesome.  It's like watching the game with Mike.  I agree, there must be a Blu-Ray version made at some time.  

June 3, 2008 7:12 PM
 

Dan Benton said:

Giants 16 49ers 14 in game one of 1991.

June 3, 2008 7:31 PM
 

Fitz said:

Rob,,, Strahan does commentary for the SB very cool..Cant wait to watch the whole damn thing again this weekend...Best 40 dollars on a DVD ever spent  even better then every season of lost haa...If they are smart they will come out with the Blu-Ray version because all of us who have a Blu-Ray will buy that too ..

June 3, 2008 7:57 PM
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