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Welcome Back, NY Giants! (At Least Some)

Ah yes, the off-season is nearly at the end of its "drought" period.  The New York Giants are getting back to the office after a solid one-and-a-half month break...well, most of the players anyway.  With all their respective vacations, time-off, sabbaticals (etc), Big Blue's Championship squad are cleaning out their cleats, stocking up on Vitamin Water and heading back to East Rutherford to begin voluntary off-season workouts.  

As expected, a number of the superstars respectfully declined to partake in the workouts. First and foremost, the most expected of no-shows was Sir Michael Strahan who is still enjoying a vacation.  His DE Pro Bowl bookend, Osi Umenyiora, is also holding up in Atlanta (according to his agent) and still voicing an interest in contract restructuring before he returns to the gym.  

(Quick reminder:  Umenyiora is due to make $1.7 million in 2008...while Justin Tuck will be pulling in an average $6 million.)

Another expected hold-out, Chris Snee, was not seen entering Giants Camp today (although Vacchiano, who did an incredible clandestine recon job today when the media was not invited, was unsure if Snee showed or not).  At present, there are still mixed reports on whether Snee will officially "hold-out."  ProFootballTalk indicates that Coughlin's favorite son-in-law will be absent, while Vacchiano claims there have been no signs of that.  Wait and see.

Jeremy Shockey and Plaxico Burress were both absent today.  This should come as almost less of a surprise than Strahan's declining.  Shockey will undoubtedly spend a majority of his time taking part in the "Miami Fitness Bonanza," although it would truly be in his best interest to spend a bit more time in NJ practicing with his hurler who year-in and year-out pleads for #80 to return from Florida.  Burress has been spending the last couple off-seasons in Miami with Shockey, however, given his physical rehabilitation, perhaps he'll remain closer to the team medical staff.  

Speaking of rehabilitation, Mathias Kiwanuka's recovery is coming along very well and he's already able to run on his leg.   It appears he will be good to go come time for mini-camp and maybe even earlier. 

Eli Manning was not present for the start of the program today, but he was the Super Bowl MVP; he's earned a couple extra days off, right?  In true hard-working Eli Manning fashion, however, NY/NJ's new Golden Boy will be attending the workouts later this week.

Also seen entering the Meadowlands premises was new LB, Danny Clark.  This should not be terribly surprising as he has a long way to go if he wants a starting spot on that LB corps, but great to see him none the less. 

EXTRA NOTES:

  • The Giants, through what appears to be nothing short of a nearly indecipherable equation, have earned themselves a compensatory pick.  More specifically, due to the loss of a few free agents last season, the Giants were awarded a 6th Round pick (199th overall to be exact) in the coming draft.  Given Reese's success last year, that could prove to be incredibly valuable.
  • In non-Giants news (sort of), ProFootballTalk is reporting that it is appearing more and more likely that former Giants RB, Tiki Barber, is being let go by the Today show.  While no official announcement has been made, NBC announced that Kathie Lee Gifford has been picked up to co-host the final portion of the Today show...the same slot that Tiki co-hosted last year.  Despite all that's happened and has been said, it'd be hard to not feel bad for the guy if he lost that gig after retiring the year before the G-men brought home the Lombardi Trophy.

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Joser208 said:

Just wondering and I'm not saying I want it to happen because I think Snee is a great G but since the Giants haven't gone out of their way to get him an extension...is there any possibility that maybe a team like pitt would trade their first or second round pick for Snee.  Is there a chance the Giants would listen?

March 31, 2008 9:25 PM
 

Joser208 said:

Also The USA today came out with their draft preview guide.  Its almost here!

March 31, 2008 9:26 PM
 

Scarroll said:

Joser -

I would be blown away if the Giants let Snee go.  The beauty of our O-line right now is the time they've been together.  If you have a group that performs well, the longer they're together, the better they become as a unit...so I don't see that happening.  That's my take anyway.

March 31, 2008 9:35 PM
 

simon said:

Tiki's a douche. Sometimes pompous people's egos let them down.

I don't understand why Osi thinks he is entitled to more money. Strahan is sticking around and Tuck's ascendance should make him happy he signed that 40 something million dollar deal when he did, I'm afraid this is going to get messy with Osi and Plax, and someone said it a few days ago on here that maybe now it's time to find that eventual replacement for Snee

March 31, 2008 9:36 PM
 

KD said:

So much for the rumor that former Giants running back Tiki Barber is out at the Today show.

Further research into the question has yielded the following fruit — Tiki’s role will actually be increasing, as he prepares to report from the Olympics in Beijing for the long-running NBC morning program.

We’re also told that Barber will be doing more for NBC News and Dateline.  But his role at Today won’t be decreasing.

www.profootballtalk.com/.../tiki-rumors-not-true

March 31, 2008 9:41 PM
 

Joser208 said:

Scarroll,

Like I said I def don't want to see him go.  But recently with what has be aspiring it just seems inevitable.  Especially if the giants take a linemen in the early rounds of the draft.  Snee is going to ask for big money, and are the giants going to give it to him?  You just don't know. You want to say of course but deep down reality sets in and it hits...this is a business too and that is just apart of this business.

March 31, 2008 9:41 PM
 

JD_in_Dallas said:

Dear Tiki,

Regardless of what some of the ex-fans say, I appreciate all that you did INCLUDING speaking your mind about TC.  By doing that and keepin' it real about what was really going on in Giants camp, you made TC change... that change got us that Tiffany manufactured hardware.  I know you weren't a direct partof that but IMHO, without that TC making no changes, On Time would still be 5 minutes late and all the guys would feel like they were in college again.  Thank you and thank you for all you've done.  

Now don't be like a GIANT hater if you get picked up somewhere else!  I named my freakin' DOG after you, don't make me have to continually lift you up in the eye's of my friends and neighborshere!!!  Say that right things... the GIANTS things!  The slow "comical" kid in your eyes was SBMVP, show him some love brah!

JD

March 31, 2008 9:50 PM
 

KD said:

Funny, I named my cat Tiki. B/c he's black and he runs around all over the place and I can never catch him.

March 31, 2008 9:52 PM
 

fanfor55years said:

JD, I agree with you. I just don't get all the hate for a guy who was the heart of the team and without doubt the best back in Giants history. The guy gave his all on the field, was right about Coughlin/Gilbride abandoning the run too early during the 2006 season, and was right about Coughlin having to treat his players like men.

Okay, he made some dumb comments. Haven't we all? I consider it a humiliating disgrace that Tiki got booed at Giants Stadium. He's an outstanding young man and a lot of the folks who are hurling insults at him should be ashamed of themselves because he's already made more of his life than they have of theirs.

People have a right to criticize him, but when it carries over into irrational hate the issue is them, not him.

Like Sean said, the Giants should make every effort to retain Snee. He's an All-Pro quality player who will go out and kill for his father-in-law. Got to keep him.

Osi and his agent should be put in their place by Reese. If he does anything other than give him a few possible incentive bonuses based on seriously tough goals, he will be planting the seeds of the destruction of this team. He'll have a line outside his office, all wanting contract renegotiations. It isn't going to happen.

March 31, 2008 10:04 PM
 

Krow said:

Seriously... we've got to stop buying that bit about Osi getting only $1.7 mil while Tuck gets $6 mil.

Osi signed a 6 year $41 mil contract.  If he's getting $1.7 mil this year it's because he got a chunk in a bonus.  Divide it out and it's about $7 mil a year.  Tuck got $30 mil over 5 years... or $6 mil.  

Don't get sucked into the sports agent bullshit.  You need to look at the entire contract... not some little segment of it.

March 31, 2008 10:07 PM
 

gman24 said:

this is not good news, sound bad for the giant concerning the Cap, if Plax and Osi get rasies and strahan aswell we will be in a whole big time. however they do desever the money but i would try to nickle and dime them

March 31, 2008 10:23 PM
 

Krow said:

Yeah... poor Osi...scraping by on his paltry $7,000,000 a year.  And Plax... barely making it on $5,000,000.  Next we'll be hearing tales about poverty and food stamps.  I can hardly wait till the 'taking care of my family' lines start flowing.  They're my favorite.

March 31, 2008 10:26 PM
 

hkiswani said:

Osi is being absolutely and ridiculously greedy as well as selfish. There's no arguing that in this case.

6 yrs 41 mil just a couple of Decembers ago and you're complaining?

March 31, 2008 10:26 PM
 

hkiswani said:

I'd listen to Plax - he went through hell to stay on the field last season and he had one of the better seasons of any NFL receiver - I'd at least listen to what he has to say and possibly work something out.

Osi - one of my favorite players on this football team, but he needs to give it up. He wants to hold out, let him hold out.

March 31, 2008 10:29 PM
 

Giants said:

tiki's not going anywhere.

TIKI RUMORS NOT TRUE

Posted by Mike Florio on March 31, 2008, 8:24 p.m.

So much for the rumor that former Giants running back Tiki Barber is out at the Today show.

Further research into the question has yielded the following fruit — Tiki’s role will actually be increasing, as he prepares to report from the Olympics in Beijing for the long-running NBC morning program.

We’re also told that Barber will be doing more for NBC News and Dateline.  But his role at Today won’t be decreasing.

Barber joined NBC last year, securing an assignment both for the sports division (on the Sunday night NFL pregame show) and on the news side.

To summarize:  Rumor existed.  Rumor not true.  And on we go.

March 31, 2008 10:30 PM
 

Krow said:

The franchise tag on DEs is $8.6 mil.... WRs is $7.6 mil.  Osi... at just short of $7 mil... is right about where he should be.  Plax comes up short at $5 mil, but not by a lot... we're not talking Moss or TO here.  And yes, Strahan is underpaid at $4 mil.

March 31, 2008 10:33 PM
 

Krow said:

The problem you get into with these holdouts is that they conveniently forget about their huge bonuses.  If someone pays you $1,000,001 for a years worth of work... but it's a million dollar bonus and a one dollar salary try telling the IRS that you only made a dollar.  See how long you stay out of prison.

March 31, 2008 10:36 PM
 

SidNY said:

I would make a case for Plaxico deserving more money. I'm all about players finishing their contracts, but it is true that players rely on the security of guaranteed money in case they get hurt.

Plax risked worsening his multiple injuries every game this season, and he did it without complaining. He came through and made plays whenever he was needed. I think that kind of effort and attitude should be rewarded.

Osi missed 5 games in 2006. Yes, he was productive this season, but so were Strahan and Tuck, and if Kiwi were ever to move back to DE, I believe he would be elite at the position from what we've seen so far.

If Reese is renegotiating anyone's contract, it should be Plax's and as you guys mentioned, Chris Snee. I know they made a verbal commitment to Strahan too, but that should be mostly incentives with perhaps a slight bump in guaranteed money. The reality is that Reese has to worry about the possible uncapped year, and Strahan is not part of that equation since he'll almost certainly be gone by then.

March 31, 2008 10:37 PM
 

Remy said:

Has Osi actually come out and said he wants more cash or he'll holdout?  Or is it still rumours and speculation like I think it is.  Lets wait and see what eventuates and not crucify the guy just yet......

March 31, 2008 10:38 PM
 

SidNY said:

In regards to the cap, at least Reese does not have to leave all that much to pay for the rookie contracts this year - the benefit of picking last.

March 31, 2008 10:39 PM
 

Krow said:

Also... like with Snee... lazy players use "contract talks" as an excuse to duck workouts, training camp, and other team functions.  Everyone knows you'll be negotiating this year for an extension... and everyone is gearing up to make it happen.  Using it as an alibi to sit on your a$$ is rather indicative of a poor character.

March 31, 2008 10:40 PM
 

Krow said:

And this holdout crap... along with being everyone's favorite free agent target... is why teams seldom repeat as Superbowl winners.

March 31, 2008 10:45 PM
 

scotthawaii said:

Tiki at the Olympics makes sense, he'll likely do a good job covering it.

I wonder how much the yearly salary comes into a player's head when he gets motivated for the season? Do they see things the same way Krow lays it out? Krow makes alot of sense to me, but you know that some players would say "I'm only making 1.7 million this year, so I'm not busting my tail out there" and they wouldn't see it from Krow's point of view at all.

March 31, 2008 10:55 PM
 

KD said:

Scott, I hope Osi isn't thinking "I only make $1.7 mil this year? I am going to drive my $400,000 Ferrari to my agent's office and ask to renegociate my $40 mil contract. After I poop on the four hookers in my gold plated bathtub."

March 31, 2008 11:00 PM
 

scotthawaii said:

KD - oh man, that's rough! lol

Did you hear about the head of the F1 racing league getting caught with Nazi hookers in some S&M orgy? Sometimes the truth is stranger than the stuff we make up...

March 31, 2008 11:06 PM
 

12dan.S. said:

Every athlete should be thankful that they are playing a game as their job and they are making MILLIONS more then the average person. It is starting to get a little crazy with the pay checks that are being handed out these days.

March 31, 2008 11:09 PM
 

KD said:

And I forgot, Osi is currently pooping on a Victoria's Secret model. Life could be worse for him.

Players shouldn't be asking for more cash now. They should wait until the potential uncapped year if they want to break the bank. Giants will have the new stadium and are in a money market. Locking up a new deal one year before the cap might go away is plain dumb.

March 31, 2008 11:16 PM
 

KD said:

Scott, I did hear about the F1 dude, but I don't follow F1 racing. Did you hear about the Gov of NY banging tons of hookers and after he quit, the new Gov said he did tons of blow and cheated on his wife a bunch of times...And the new Gov is BLIND!!! Goodell would suspend these guys and they run my state. At least neither is holding out for a new contract...

March 31, 2008 11:25 PM
 

hkiswani said:

KD -

Lmao, word Spitzer is a scumbag.. And they replaced him with a guy who's done worse

March 31, 2008 11:33 PM
 

Scarroll said:

Well, so goes the Tiki thing...although I haven't been all that crazy about his work thus far (despite that fancy vocab).  That said, maybe the Olympics will be the right place for him to show his worth in the broadcast world.

I hear the sentiments about Snee on here, but they should be able to figure out a way to keep him.  Guards may be easier to find than Tackles, but like I said, keeping him will prove beneficial to the cohesive unit of the line.

March 31, 2008 11:34 PM
 

KD said:

Sean, Tiki is married to an Asian woman, maybe he'll go Spitzer on us over in Beijing...

March 31, 2008 11:39 PM
 

scotthawaii said:

KD - No way I could miss the Spitzer story... and the follow up with the new governor is just too much to believe. The news on Spitzer was a shocker. I've only been out of NY for 4 years so I remember him well.

I'm curious as to how serious Osi is with this renegotiation. I can understand Snee's case better because he really should have been extended last year (which would have been better for the FO - cheaper rate for guards at the time). Is it really that hard to get yourself motivated for 1.7 million bucks?

March 31, 2008 11:41 PM
 

KD said:

And Haz, Not to get political, but Spitzer was taken out by the Republicans. If a Dem wins the White House this year (unlikely thanks to Hillary), Elliot would be in line for US Attourney General free to take out the Bush Administration ex post facto. Therefore he had to go. Gotta love politics...

March 31, 2008 11:42 PM
 

gianthinker said:

I have one word for Tiki....karma

March 31, 2008 11:43 PM
 

KD said:

Anyone watching the Braves/Pirates game? its nuts. it was 3-1 Pirates in the 8th...Now it is 12-11 Pirates 2 out in the bottom of the 12th.

March 31, 2008 11:45 PM
 

gianthinker said:

Hazem/Sean-With the draft getting closer I was thinking about Lito Sheppard.  Normally I would NEVER think an in-division trade could happen but I could see them taking a DE/OL or maybe even a RB to pair with Westbrook if one falls to #19.  I could see us sending our #31 and our 6th RDer (not our compensatory since it cant be traded) for Sheppard and their 2nd RD (#50).  What do you think?  Keep in mind the Eagles got 3 compensatory picks.

March 31, 2008 11:57 PM
 

gianthinker said:

Oh shoot!  I didnt finish....My point was the Eagles could covet the #31 so they could grab a DeSean Jackson or a James Hardy or a Mario Manningham since they need a WR so bad.

April 1, 2008 12:01 AM
 

gianthinker said:

By the way, Antwaun Molden from Eastern Kentucky could be a major sleeper CB pick in the 2nd or 3rd RD this year.  I saw him play a couple times and he needs to learn to get a little more physical because big receivers can knock him down but he can play man and has good ball skills with fluid hips and sticks out as a play maker on EK film.  He's like 6'1" and has played CB and S.  I wouldn't mind hearing us call his name one bit.

April 1, 2008 12:18 AM
 

TroyThorne said:

*Slaps forehead*

You guys have got to be kidding me with this stuff. Trade Shockey, trade Snee, trade for this guy, extend this guy, "F" this guy, insert bad joke about this guy,

NEWSFLASH READERS OF GIANTS101:

WE JUST WON THE FRIGGING SUPER BOWL!!!!!

Please for the sake of my sanity re-read that multiple times. If necessary, please go back and watch the game (or the entire playoff run if it's not sinking in).

For one day can you do me all a favor and not propose ridiculous trade scenarios? For one day can you guys not badmouth and talk **** about one of our players? For one day can you guys stop pretending we're invincible and that we can sign any Moe, Larry, or Curly off the streets and still succeed? This is all I ask of you. I am 19 years old and I think I just had a mini-stroke reading about trading Snee, hiring hookers, and pissing off our star players. It's bad enough the Giants themselves give me ulcers every time they play, I don't need this in the off-season too. I mean, I want to live to see 21 at least and at this rate, I just might not make it.

Next time you're thinking about trading Eli and Osi for a 1st rounder and Antrel Rolle (because he has sick potential and change of scenery just might be what he needs!!!11!!) or you're thinking about cracking a horrible joke about a guy who's given his blood, sweat, and tears to this team please reconsider it. After that, if you still want to post it, punch yourself.

April 1, 2008 2:14 AM
 

KD said:

Ouch!...Just punched myself...Not all it is cracked up to be. I advise everyone to refrain from punching themself.

April 1, 2008 2:21 AM
 

danny4danger said:

TroyThorne,

Your point is valid concerning people jumping off the wagon pretty quickly after we just won a superbowl, but you are totally out of line bashing any trade scenarios, especially the one purposed by GiantThinker.  I mean, why do you read this thread if not to daydream about different ways to make the team better and to debate with other Giant fans on the correct way to do so?  Nobody forgot how smart JR is, everyone here just bleeds blue enough to check this thread daily and just like we may need coffee to wake up, we need our fix of playing GM, since there is nothing else going on these days!

April 1, 2008 3:13 AM
 

Krow said:

Someone mention Nazi hookers?  Damn, this stuff is so funny.  Don't let Osi get hold of this video.  Thanks for the tip scott...

www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/3003_nazi_orgy.shtml

April 1, 2008 6:03 AM
 

JPMartino said:

For What its worth

myespn.go.com/.../Giants--top--fireman--expects-Umenyiora-in-camp.html

Giants' top 'fireman' expects Umenyiora in camp

March 31, 2008 12:48 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando

Giants general manager Jerry Reese, here in West Palm Beach, Fla., for the league meetings, said he expects Pro Bowl defensive end Osi Umenyiora to be in camp, counter to rumblings about a potential holdout. A couple of New York's free agents commanded large paydays coming off the team's Super Bowl victory. The Giants let them go instead of paying inflated prices. Umenyiora might fall into a different category as a core player. "I expect Osi to be fine," Reese said. "I don't expect a holdout from Osi."

Reese equated his job to that of a fireman. "Situations arise," he said. "That is part of the job. My office is kind of like the fire department. You put out fires every day. That's what we do. That's what I do. You have to make some tough decisions sometimes." Reese was not referring specifically to Umenyiora's situation when making that characterization.

As for defensive end Michael Strahan, who may or may not retire, Reese said, "My gut feeling is that he will come back."

April 1, 2008 8:44 AM
 

Terrence T said:

i think we desperately need the draft for  the sake of our sanity around here.lol

April 1, 2008 9:08 AM
 

Terrence T said:

and ff55yrs, i will never again root for tiki. i dont wish the worse for him outside of football, however i hope his jersey doesnt get retired and i hope he will never feel welcomed here in new york.

April 1, 2008 9:10 AM
 

dlevitt1 said:

I think the Giants should let Tiki document  their ceremony where they hand out the Championship rings.  The camera crew should make sure to get a close up of Tiki's face when our Superbowl MVP get his ring.  

April 1, 2008 9:25 AM
 

fanfor55years said:

Fourth best news I've heard in the off-season: Jerry Reese saying his gut tells him Strahan will be back. With him at DE and Kiwi at SAM (after a season of getting acclimated) and Wilkinson at weakside, the Giants' front seven will be even scarier than it was last year.

Third best news I've heard in the off-season: none, in regard to the Giants signing high-priced free agents or allowing themselves to be held up by Wilson (a B+/A- safety who got A+ money from a sucker GM).

Second best news I've heard in the off-season: Spags returns and the Giants show that they want him around for a long time.

First best news I've heard in the off-season: that a slimebag like Eliot Spitzer who seriously abused the power of a Prosecutor (the most dangerous kind of abuse of power, as those of you familiar with the Duke lacrosse affair can testify) and paraded his superior morals around like they were attached to him, went down in flames as a proven sicko, an abuser of his office (sending state police after an enemy on the state's time and ticket), and a thief (spending money from his campaign funds on hookers for years). I'm a lifelong Democrat but this had nothing to do with politics. All those who knew him well (and I have since he was a teenager because his father and I are in the same business) despised him. Now the public knows what some knew all along. Sorry for the political rant, but this guy is the lowest of the low.

Terrence T and dlevitt1, I hear you, but don't forget that this guy gave his heart and body to the Giants for a lot of years. He also was more responsible for those three playoff appearances than anyone on the team. I think we have to be careful about falling into the trap of disliking him for "abandoning" the ship when all he was really doing was deciding to get out when he figured he hadn't been physically damaged for life and still had good options in regard to how to make a good living in a field where you weren't taking immense physical abuse week-after-week.

April 1, 2008 10:05 AM
 

Kevros said:

Tiki is still the man in my eyes.  Of course, I disagree with some of the things he did, but we are all different people and have different ways of going about things.  At least he was snorting cocaine and buying hookers like another NYG hero...

April 1, 2008 10:25 AM
 

Kevros said:

oops, I meant he wasn't snorting coc and buying hookers...

April 1, 2008 10:39 AM
 

GIANTT said:

I think that if I wanted to hear any more about politics and Spitzer , I might find a blog or two about it -But I really dont want to hear any more about Spitzer , Patterson etc . What I do want to hear more about  is about football , and draft picks and trade scenarios and  other good stuff - If anyone feels strongly about

another subject then fine , I have no objection to them voicing an opinion in the appropriate place ,

but this is not the forum for it and although I hear the pain emanating from some commentaries , its not

Football Pain , so lets leave it where it belongs -elsewhere

April 1, 2008 10:44 AM
 

sp24334 said:

I actually like the ulterior commentary. It lends some sanity to this drought that is known as the off season...

April 1, 2008 10:50 AM
 

The Blitzing Giants said:

Hey haha... I keep referencing this "draft godfather" but he said yet another really interesting thing the other day on the radio.  

The direct quote was "the giants won the superbowl and they are winning the offseason too"  And I assumed he was refering to us avoiding the big FA signings and whatnot, but what he meant was how omnipresent our scouting services are.  He was saying that he believes our staff has scouted more players than any other team this offseason, and he named a few VERY small school guys that I have never heard of that we are scouting.  He named a small school QB and a few olineman interestingly enough.  

The more I think about it, the more I think Reese's strategy is "the more the better" in terms of picks.  We don't have a ton of data to make generalizations, but I feel like he would much rather take 8 players a year than trading up to take 5 or 6.  It just gives us more chances of hitting on a guy

April 1, 2008 10:54 AM
 

The Blitzing Giants said:

That said I think this year in particular I think that if Reggie Smith is still on the board at #27 (San Diego), that we trade up to get him- and if he is not then we trade back with a team like Chicago, Baltimore, Atlanta or any team trying to secure one of the QBs or RBs.

I wanted to also ask Haz what he thought about a certain player... a mr Jonathan Stewart, RB from Oregon.  Everyone says he is a top back who boasts the total package.  I know we are very much "set" at RB, but with his toe surgery, Stewart will likely plummet in the draft.  I think the guy is a potential probowler/workhouse back, and I think if we do take him, perhaps at #31 or maybe if we trade back in the second round, we have the luxury of sitting him out for a year while he recovers from surgery, and then throw him in the mix next year when Jacobs is up for a new contract.

April 1, 2008 10:59 AM
 

dlevitt1 said:

fanfor55years - Tiki was a warrior for us.  I am grateful for what he did on the field for the Giants during his career.  But you can't dis-respect the coach, franchise QB & team once you leave.    Once he started to dish cheapshots, it became open season for the players & fans to dish them back.

April 1, 2008 11:18 AM
 

fanfor55years said:

The Blitzing Giants, where are you hearing this "Godfather"? It sounds like he knows his stuff. And that is a very encouraging report about the Giants out-scouting other teams.

I was not an elite athlete, just barely good enough to be a decent ballplayer at the college level and a near-star at the high school level (which was even more meaningless back then than it is now), but even then it was clear to me that situations and coaching (particularly the weirdness of many of the latter) drastically affected where guys wound up playing at "the next level". I played high school football with two truly outstanding players. I thought they were pretty equal in talent. One is now enshrined in Canton and considered one of the best offensive linemen in the history of the NFL. The other got shunted off to a D-II school because my coach didn't hustle for him like he did for the other guy. The second guy was really a good guy, but something about him pissed off my coach (who was not a particularly great guy or coach, but was working weekends as an NFL linesman...in those days most of the officials were part-timers...and thus had the ability to dramatically affect the path one of his players took). That second guy played extremely well at the D-II level for two years, tried to transfer to a bigger program for his senior year (freshman were not eligible to play varsity sports in those days), and made it, but then sat on the bench all season because the coaches weren't loyal to him as a new guy, versus the players they had coached for years before. What's my point? That the world hasn't changed, and there is probably a LOT of serious talent hidden all over the place that most teams don't discover. Guys who never got a chance to excel on the bigger stages because a high school coach didn't like them, or because their parents and counselors didn't understand how to exploit the recruiting game. Maybe they couldn't afford to go to showcase camps, or had a bad three days when they did. Next thing you know they're playing at Mt. Union, or at Union College (good D-III football but not many scouts around).

If Jerry Reese has sent his minions all over the place and has got data on some of these guys who slip through the cracks (and don't tell me about how if a guy is good enough everyone will eventually hear about it...it just isn't true) then he might be a few years ahead of the copycatters who will see that he consistently comes up with great mid-round and late-round picks and start beefing up their scouting as well. Just another indication that a young GM who isn't "one of the boys" is going to remain a big key to the Giants' success. Nice find Blitzing Giants.

April 1, 2008 11:43 AM
 

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